No.3384
I can't imagine it's something like domain renewal, for an unpopular domain name it should be pretty cheap (think like $15 USD per year)
>Omnipotent Angels
rotting angels? I think the owner said they got tired of working on the site. it's a shame they didn't give it some more time; they had put a lot of effort into what was there already
>Vaushkouen
nashikouen? beats me, though I was lucky to be able to visit and say hi shortly before it went down
>megidochan
a new megidochan was made when the old one went down, actually. it's fairly active
I don't recall if I looked at ikouchan ever... how did the auto-replies work?
No.3390
>>3383Network effects
I don't think anything's going to change if you build the same thing 100 times.
No.3392
>I wonder why so many not bad boards just come and go
It is very rare for imageboard users to have enough dedication to host and moderate a public forum. At the very least you have to check it every day for CP and truth to be told very few people can be bothered. You could find janitors, but that's putting a lot of trust into those people, which again is a bother and a stress factor. Monitoring your own janitors is even more stress. So all in all a year is roughly the time it takes you to realize you'd sooner go kill yourself than maintain a forum. Add here the extremely small userbase of altchans (look at the hikarin chan polls, roughly 30 people and I am sure some voted more than once, add those who didn't bother and you really get only something like 30 people visiting it all. 30 people in the world of billions) and you can see why there are so few imageboards. I still sometimes get urges to host something myself, but then I don't have the 15USD/year and all of the maintenance is far more that I can pull off as far as my experience goes.
No.3393
>>3392this seems like a pretty likely guess to me: the moderation. a no-registration forum needs constant babysitting by moderators, and it's often thankless work ("grrr jannies!!", etc etc)
it's true that the altchan world is small, but I think that can be part of its appeal, too. but yeah, if you only have a couple users, it can be easy for some to get fatigued by the burden and want to just call it quits
No.3394
>>3383>megidochanHomestuck General never dies.
megidochan.de
No.3395
>>3392>roughly 30 people and I am sure some voted more than once, add those who didn't bother and you really get only something like 30 people visiting it all. 30 people in the world of billions)30 is a lot of people...
I don't get the obsession with wanting as many users as possible. Quality > Quantity and a smaller knit community is healthier than a larger one. This attitude smacks of "number goes up" which is the death kneel of creativity.
No.3396
>>3395I'll second that I think 30 active posters is a pretty nice number for a little imageboard community. not that I think more growth would necessarily be bad or anything
No.3397
>>3396I think it only seems negative because Hikari3 has around 5ish boards. If Marzichan had the same numbers consolidated in this little board, we'd come off as way more active (see: Megidochan, still somewhat active but only has an average of 5-15 posters)
No.3402
>>3395>I don't get the obsession with wanting as many users as possible. Quality > Quantity and a smaller knit community is healthier than a larger one. This attitude smacks of "number goes up" which is the death kneel of creativity.It does not matter. If you have used imageboards for longer than a year then you already know that expecting "quality" on alternative imageboards is like expecting snow in summer. Does happen, once in a few years. It also sometimes happens on large imageboards, if you're up to digging through a lot of... well certainly not marzipan.
Smaller communities on imageboards often mean nothing and stagnate purposelessly as the same 3-4 regulars reiterate the same topics year after year in an endless loop. As the result sometimes the board may stay dead for days until somebody posts something. Then it either gets ignored, or the same 3-4 regulars derail into into they usual loop.
This is why people want their sites to have at least some exposure. Small boards need to refresh their userbase once in a while. But it doesn't happen. All of the small chans I visit change so slowly that I can barely tell the difference over the years. I know boards that stayed the same for over 5-10 years, the only thing changing is the amount of posters dwindling over time, but never any new people there. It's fun until it isn't. And when your time on a board nears a decade, it's no fun at all.
Perhaps the healthiest userbase size is lainchan-tier, so there are always some youngsters joining once in a while, but there is no flooding. But it requires a lot of moderation and it's hard to keep it decent even at that size, the result is lainchan's average quality of discussion being schizo babble at best.
No.3403
After years of observation I realized that the "a smaller knit community is healthier" statement is nothing but wishful thinking and there is no way to create a community that would be fresh, quality and active at the same time. The best you can hope is go down the moderation road and filter people out over the years to achieve quality, but such a community will never be fresh and it will only be active during the influxes of new people, but after you weed out the misfits, the rest will slowly settle and you will slow down again. If you try to keep it fresh, you will be unable to enforce your rules, because frequent influxes of people will be really obnoxious and intolerant to being kept out, slowly eating your sanity away and shattering the existing community.
Besides, you derail the whole point. I say that small community usually means fewer potential maintainers and often nobody at all cares what becomes of a small board, not strongly enough to spend an hour helping the admin.
No.3405
>>3403>>3402Yeah because I obviously meant 3-4 people when I talked about numbers of a small community. You don't know anything at all about raising a community.
No.3407
>>3383it's effort and advertising sucks, community building is hard
dealing with CP spam and other garbage
and then on rare occasion, you just get outright attacked
I found this place entirely because Rotting Angels (RIP) linked here.
Still a bit miffed they went down, although honestly, I think the actual thing that killed it was one of the staff members fairly early on going nuts; pretty much all the enthusiasm the admin had for the site died ASAP after that.
The other thing that didn't help was the admin wanted a lot of cool hobby boards, but pretty much only games and drugs got used, mostly the latter.
>>3384I still miss Nashikouen...
The guy running Nashi gave up because you can't really have an all-ages site if you're regularly dealing with CP spam with out heavy moderation (there wasn't much staff, I helped out) even despite the site having perceptual hashing of images - all this meant was that the CP spammer kept actually changing the pics out instead of the usual slight crop.
This pretty much killed site growth when you were more likely to see CP spam than a new post.
Honestly, I do want to run my own board of some kind at some point (even if just for the pure vanity of it), but all the features I'm writing are designed around it being a one-man job that I expect to have like 1PPD if I'm lucky.
I'd like to have an imageboard, but dealing with the CP bot means that's a no-go as a one-man operation, so it will end up as another dead textboard if I'm unlucky.
I kind of do want opening hours so I don't need to wake up to garbage sitting on the site, with pre-moderation for a handful of posts made when the mods (me, myself, and I) are literally asleep.
No.3408
the automated bot response on ikou is a bad bad bad idea
No.3409
>>3404Imageboard seems to be up.
Posting works too.
No.3410
>>3408>>3409Huh that's actually worse than I thought. For what purpose?
No.3412
>>3410I can respect trying out odd features just for the fun of it, even if it's not what I would do
No.3413
>>3407>I think the actual thing that killed it was one of the staff members fairly early on going nuts; pretty much all the enthusiasm the admin had for the site died ASAP after thatqrd? the site died as soon as i found it so i'm not up to date about its lore
No.3414
>>3413not that anon, but I remember seeing some of it happen. iirc, the head mod for the drugs board had a mental episode or something, and after he got banned over something he did, he started evading and saying negative things about the site elsewhere
No.3415
>>3407>The guy running Nashi gave up because you can't really have an all-ages site if you're regularly dealing with CP spam with out heavy moderation (there wasn't much staff, I helped out) even despite the site having perceptual hashing of images - all this meant was that the CP spammer kept actually changing the pics out instead of the usual slight crop.>This pretty much killed site growth when you were more likely to see CP spam than a new post.that's demoralizing
obviously the solution here is to go siberia or whatever the hell these cp spammers are and murder them
No.3417
>>3416holy shit
MEX and Marz, watch your backs...
No.3418
hope rads is doing ok tho
i wonder if he lurks on both sites...
No.3436
>>3415The disturbing thing about the CP spam is that its obviously being done manually. Once they find a new site, they spam it.
No.3438
Imageboards have to deal with CP spammers, right wing edgelord invaders, and the fact they are all more or less the same. They don’t do anything different. So there’s no reason for new users to stay.
No.3458
>>3438rw edgelords have more of a home on the outcast net than major social media (which has been rw purgemode from 2017 until elon bought twitter)
No.3462
> https://hikari3.ch/I don't surf sites that require to run privacy invasive js code (possibly a trackware), annubisCF, or that do block anonymity by blocking vpn/tor.
I saw hikari3 near heyuri webring, and when you think of heyuri you think of 8kun, and when you think of 8kun & Q, you think of
>>3438 , injected Soyjack meme threads, 4chan sellout.
4chan was the most popular site 10 years ago. with big strong community. not anymore. it's all destroyed. It been used enforce & forcefed particular /pol/ pepe agenda.
Issues mentioned ITT resolved with manual premoderation before publishing post, or auto premod with AI on backend. Optional accounts, plebbit-like voting system. All done without front end js.
No.3463
>>3462>and when you think of heyuri you think of 8kunwhy lol
they explicitly enforce rules against all that shit
they have their own problems, but soyposts and polspam are not it
hikari3 has none of those issues either, and I'm not a particular fan of that site
>Issues mentioned ITT resolved with manual premoderation before publishing post, or auto premod with AI on backend. Optional accounts, plebbit-like voting system. All done without front end js.honestly, I do feel like an automated moderation system based on votes would be useful for small sites where there isn't enough staff for issues to be immediately dealt with
I think there are Japanese boards with something similar
and I remember a site with anonymous (no mandatory email reg, just username+pw) accounts where you unlocked site features the longer you used that account, it seemed like a decent idea
the state of things is such that most sites don't have the tools to reasonably deal with drive-by spam, let alone targeted attacks
No.3465
>>3462>I don't surf sites that require to run privacy invasive js code (possibly a trackware), annubisCF, or that do block anonymity by blocking vpn/tor.You can be tracked using CSS, so relax. The only reason not to use js sites is when they're horsecrap that requires more computing power than compiling the kernel. [ $paranoid -eq 1 ] && man qemu
>block anonymity by blocking vpn/torhikarin chan doesn't block vpn, unless you use some free proxies of course, I don't use those so I don't know. tor is PITA to moderate, I think you want to use a torboard instead. It doesn't make sense to hide your identity so strongly when all you're gonna do is posting some funny shit
No.3470
most imageboards I visit don't block VPNs unless someone specifically did something stupid on the endpoint you're posting from
but Tor gets banned almost everywhere just because it is comically easy to mass spam with hundreds of different IPs using it
in particular, I helped out on a site where they were wondering how to stop the spammer who was flooding them nonstop, I noticed they were all TOR exit IPs in the log and sent the admin the exit node list to import into the site banlist, the spam stopped pretty quickly since the attacker didn't have many other IPs to use
No.3472
>>3458The rise of right wing edgelords was inevitable in this society.
No.3476
>>3472What 'rise'? That's how the internet has been since the internet was a thing.
No.3478
>>3476Maybe they're blaming the Internet specifically?
No.3489
>>3476They have always existed but now they have metastasized and you see them everywhere. They are basically dominant now.
>>3478Not so much the internet. It was just the outcome of pre-existing social and cultural trends that the internet acclerated.
No.3504
Am i crazy or there's been some sort of imageboard revival following the 4chan hack? It seems like more of them popped up around that time.
No.3505
>>3504there was a little boom of activity during the hack, since people were looking for some place to hang out while the site was down. I imagine some of those people stuck around on the altchans, though most went back to 4chan.
I'm not sure if there was really a boom in new altchans though, I think the ones getting new users were all at least a couple years old
No.3507
>>3505yeah some did get one or two more users. i didn't really expect, only feared, that 4channers would stay, but everything happened exactly to the formula and now it's like they have never come in the first place
No.3515
>>3509Technically he is correct, imageboards as a concept have been killed by 4chan. Nobody should create imageboards anymore and in fact it is sometimes beneficent to shun the very name of imageboards to avoid certain people. Instead people should create forums for specific themes, but without registration. That's right, forums with anonymous posting aren't imageboards. An imageboard is a place to brew shit, but a forum has a chance to survive so longs as works to maintain its own niche instead of being another 4chan.
No.3516
>>3515hm, so you think the "imageboard" concept is too tainted to be redeemed even by sites that go against the grain of 4chan culture?
No.3517
>>3515I guess its just a semantic thing but I wouldn't say imageboards have been killed but the idea of chans is tainted. The whole idea of chan culture was stupid in the first place and all altchans are inextricably bound to 4chan by virtue of being advertised as an alternative to it. 2chan and 4chan made the imageboard medium popular, but now 4chan is just holding everything back and making things worse. I don't wanna be associated with 4chan, 2chan maybe, but not 4.
>>3516Kinda hard to go against 4chan culture, all of it anyway, since its influenced everything online and there were no doubt good sides to it. I guess you mean avoiding modern day 4chan culture? Appreciating the past for the good and the bad without nostalgia googgles and trying to build something different than go down the blind nostalgia route.
No.3557
>>3515>Technically he is correct, imageboards as a concept have been killed by 4chan. Nobody should create imageboards anymore and in fact it is sometimes beneficent to shun the very name of imageboards to avoid certain people. Instead people should create forums for specific themes, but without registration. That's right, forums with anonymous posting aren't imageboards. An imageboard is a place to brew shit, but a forum has a chance to survive so longs as works to maintain its own niche instead of being another 4chan.trueee
in a way thematic boards were forums to discuss /retro/, /moto/ etc
but chans, are reminiscents of ancient bbs culture, like usenet, on life support barely survive with 3-4 visitors, and because only admins post pasta or replies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_forums < are those alive?
I've seen 'search engine' removed forums & http (non ssl) sites, flash sites from search results, in favour of MFAANG media results. Have you ever seen it returning peertube video results in a 'video tab' section?
Fedi is nice, but to be at mercy of server owner, it's an f2f of server farmers. An floss serverless social network would be nice.
but, after seen some one spawns new chans, that are silent & unpopulated or pasta-driven, the quality of topic contributors have bigger value than media\medium\chan\site
in other words there was greatchan.xyz , doesn't exist anymore, some one tried to recreate it, but it lacks old topic contributors
>>3517>The whole idea of chan culture was stupid in the first placewhich part?
>all altchans are inextricably bound to 4chan by virtue of being advertised as an alternative to it.uhm, no?
>but nowyour senator
you shaping our own chan culture here
No.3563
>>3515>>3517This is only a symptom of a bigger problem, that being that internet forums in general have been dead in favor of centralized social media websites like Twitter or Instagram.
>>3557 hit the nail on the head, FAANG (Big Tech) has monopolized online communities and it's basically impossible to break that mold now. But that doesn't mean alternative communities are completely dead, there are countless other semi-active places out there with people who share the sentiment of disliking mainstream communities (this includes 4chan). Although, that depends on your definition of "Active". Personally, I view this website as semi-active.
No.3567
>>3563There is another problem. Nobody in these small communities welcomes outsiders. Because our communities are very small 5 new regular people coming at the same time can turn everything upside down, literally. So for the most part small niche communities prefer to hide from sight and many stay under radars for years upon years. There is little to no "common ground" to solve this issue, though. You must keep low if you don't want to get overriden by idiots.
No.3568
>>3567Eh, not in my experience. This place, megidochan, and libpol all seem to welcome newcomers.
No.3569
>>3568libpol is political which immediately invalidates it in my book, as for megidochan it's just too niche. The less generic your forum the easier it is to keep unwelcome human beings at bay.
No.3570
Also don't forged that inexperienced admins always tend to welcome new people, but those who actually had the gut to run their site for 10+ years tend to change their opinion on the subject somewhere along the way.
No.3571
>>3568brainworm.rodeo is js spytrackware liveboard which immediately invalidates it in my book.
I know who else welcome newcomeres. Facebook. it shows me ad, begging to join. And instagram. etc.
4-ch refugees need to learn rich marzikultura & marzispeak with marzilore
No.3575
>>3571Can you repeat this, you didn't use enough buzzwords for me to understand
No.3576
>>3575buzzwords are gay marzigods are content speaking universally accessible Engrish Tongue.
No.3577
>>3576zamn... i fuarking KNEEL
No.3580
>>3568They even welcome discord users who spam grotesque porn. But I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about that.
No.3581
>>3580very passive aggressive, anon. want to get something off your chest? ;)
No.3585
how to surf megidochan.de?
will it work with non-js browser?
I've tried to access it, and all I see is a static circle on front page.
Then I've tried to acess it with js ON, and the only difference - wheel is spinning.
I don't see threads.
No.3591
under hover it says something like
https://megidochan.de/#>/#under click it doesn't expand any css menu nor open html page with threads.
when I tried to open
https://megidochan.de/hsg it simply redirects to main "home page" of
https://megidochan.de with wheel.
No.3593
>>3591>>3585It was a site config thing (list of TOR/some public proxy), toggled it out for now. Will replace with something less confusing when I can
>>3580Hmm. One doesn't get to choose their [Family] and all that, heh.
No.3594
>>3587It's open sourced and it has mirrors